One thing the Retrouvaille people stress is privacy. Your personal situation is never discussed. When you and your spouse are talking about "things", it will be just you two, in your private room. No personal information will be shared (OK, first names) during the program.
You and your spouse spend quite a bit of time in a large group, but not for discussing things, rather you hear several Retrouvaille veterans talk about their marriages. They will be frank and honest about their stories. They will describe the infidelity or whatever it was that pulled them apart. They will tell about how they did get back together. There is no question/answer, but I bet you just might hear your situation played out. A Priest or Pastor also offers Biblical insights along with the presentations.
{Added 2/28/09 - Yes, I still keep this up!}
I re-read this comment about "our": presenters. It's from the entry "Coasting"
I am still amazed at the Retrouvaille presenters. They feel so strongly about what they're doing, they will stop their presentation, look at the group, and say "If you have any question or problem, call us! Do not hesitate! We are serious about this!" Some of the couples have traveled three hours (through Los Angeles) to come give a talk.
{End of Additon}
You and your spouse are given a private room. You both will be given notebooks and asked to write things in them. You will be shown how to put your thoughts together. Do not be afraid if you "can't write". If your marriage is important enough (as in "I'd give anything to have my spouse back again!") you can write things out. Your spouse is the only other person who will ever see what you write. Ever. Remember, privacy is important here.
There are other Retrouvaille people there, to keep things running. You probably will have little direct contact with them about your personal situation. At meals and breaks, though, they will join the couples and will be happy to chat about whatever. Also, if things get out of hand for any couple, a Retrouvaille participating couple will be there to help mediate things.
Well, who are these Retrouvaille people? They are fellow travelers, who have experienced serious problems in their marriages. They have learned ways to see through the troubles, to learn ways to truly communicate and to regain the love that they felt had disappeared. They are not counselors or marriage experts. Retrouvaille people have been where you are now, and have found a lifeline for marriage. They only want to help you rediscover the joy God has granted us in marriage.
As for Mrs. Ray and me, we completed the six Post Weekend sessions. (These are actually more important than the weekend! - Commit to them!!) We used the writing techniques for about three months to help build our communication. Then it all petered out. But, I personally believe the experience was vital to our reconciliation. However, Mrs. Ray does not think so. I'd love to be active in the Retrouvaille community, but since Mrs. Ray is not interested, I can't.
Finally, what does this cost? There is a non-refundable registration fee (ours was $100). At the end, we were told how much the hotel and food cost for the weekend for one couple (Our weekend was $550), and given a white envelope. We were asked to go to our rooms, and return in half an hour with the envelope, and place it in a basket. There were no marks on any envelope to identify whose envelope it was. I'm sure some envelopes were empty, and some probably had much more than the $550 our weekend cost. The bottom line is, the local Retrouvaille community is so committed to saving marriages, they are more interested in helping you than in covering costs. Don't let money stop you from saving your marriage. Just go.
Update (7/28/08) Here is a link to another Retrouvaille story: "Miracle of Retrouvaille". See how powerful the Retrouvaille system can be.
There are other Retrouvaille people there, to keep things running. You probably will have little direct contact with them about your personal situation. At meals and breaks, though, they will join the couples and will be happy to chat about whatever. Also, if things get out of hand for any couple, a Retrouvaille participating couple will be there to help mediate things.
Well, who are these Retrouvaille people? They are fellow travelers, who have experienced serious problems in their marriages. They have learned ways to see through the troubles, to learn ways to truly communicate and to regain the love that they felt had disappeared. They are not counselors or marriage experts. Retrouvaille people have been where you are now, and have found a lifeline for marriage. They only want to help you rediscover the joy God has granted us in marriage.
As for Mrs. Ray and me, we completed the six Post Weekend sessions. (These are actually more important than the weekend! - Commit to them!!) We used the writing techniques for about three months to help build our communication. Then it all petered out. But, I personally believe the experience was vital to our reconciliation. However, Mrs. Ray does not think so. I'd love to be active in the Retrouvaille community, but since Mrs. Ray is not interested, I can't.
Finally, what does this cost? There is a non-refundable registration fee (ours was $100). At the end, we were told how much the hotel and food cost for the weekend for one couple (Our weekend was $550), and given a white envelope. We were asked to go to our rooms, and return in half an hour with the envelope, and place it in a basket. There were no marks on any envelope to identify whose envelope it was. I'm sure some envelopes were empty, and some probably had much more than the $550 our weekend cost. The bottom line is, the local Retrouvaille community is so committed to saving marriages, they are more interested in helping you than in covering costs. Don't let money stop you from saving your marriage. Just go.
Update (7/28/08) Here is a link to another Retrouvaille story: "Miracle of Retrouvaille". See how powerful the Retrouvaille system can be.
Update (1/14/13)
After nearly five years, I wanted to update the costs. The Non-refundable fee is now $150 and the actual costs for the weekend (you contribute voluntarily to this) is $300. This depends on your Retrouvaille Community.
Update (6/17/17)
Many post here as "Anonymous", and include plans with Retrouvaille. If possible come back afterward and add your Retrouvaille experience. A short statement of your judgement of possible outcome for you and our spouse would be helpful. I pray for every request coming to this post.
68 comments:
Thank you for sharing your thoughts about this program. My husband and I are possibly going to attend this as our marriage is pretty much over.
My husband and I will be attending Retrouvaille in Madison, WI October 22. I hope it will help us. We have been living separate for 3 months. We have stayed in daily contact and still go on "dates". We love each other but, lots of things have gotten on the way of our love. Hopefully this will clear away the cobwebs and we can get back to being a committed married couple again!
Thank you for the review on Retrouvaille, especially the cost info, since i couldn't find it at the site. My husband and have 2 small kids, so we are really trying to find alternatives to splitting up. My situation is summed up well by a book title I saw, "Too good to leave, too bad to stay." My concern is that due to complications of adult ADD, we need professional counseling.
The costs are a bit dated now, and every Retro. Retreat has different arrangements. But the program stats the same. The members all have one goal: to save YOUR marriage. The writing exercises are very powerful. - Ray
My huband and I attended the weekend mid last year. We also attended all but 1 follow-up session. I was the motivator and my Husband went along as a last option for us. It has not been easy but I can say it has helped our marrgage like a breath of fresh air when you feel like your choking.I was unfaithful in our relationship and it made me understand how painful it is for my spouse to go thru this. My own selfish reasons had made me blind to the reality of how much we injur our spouse. Our marraige was basicaly over before this and I still think our marraige was one of the worse ones from the weekend but that does matter..what counts is going in willing to learn things that were unknown to us..it changes you.
We thought we knew what all the reasons for the breakdown in our marriage were. We were way off track though, no wonder all the therapy was a waste of time - Retrouvaille, and only Retrouvaille worked for us. For a couple who attended just to make our divorce more amicable, hell did we get a shock. We're now committed to each other again, and adore each other. Thanks, Retrouvaille
Were there any couples at your weekend who are not Christian? I am a strong believer but my husband is not. I have brought this program up as an option but am afraid the Christian aspect will not sit well with my husband.Thanks for the information...very helpful.
Retrouvaille is sponsored by the Catholic church. A Priest, as part of the program, offers "what the Bible says", and a voluntary communion is offered.(You are told it's OK to not partake, and some don't.)
But there is no evangelism or "What Would Jesus Do" moment. Religion is not the issue, but your marriage is. I stopped updating this blog a few years ago, but I believe this record is a good reference for some. Please, both of you, do consider Retrouvaille as a way to investigate and to help heal your marriage.
My husband and I have been in a downward spiral for a little while now. We agree that neither want to "end things", however, we also agree that we "can't continue in this fashion". We have talked and have agreed to commit to change. I am going to look further into the benefits of Retrouvaille and appreciate the information I received on this site. Thank you for posting.
Anonymous, I am glad you and your husband are taking the attitude you are. Maybe things are uncomfortable, sticky or even toxic, but you have decided to take a closer look and try to resolve the situation. Please do take the Retrouvaille program. The exercises you will work on together and separately are a wonderful way to share your thoughts and feelings. My prayers are with you two. If possible, please post back.
I want so badly to end things, my husband has been hiding thousands of dollars in separate accounts, drinking without my knowledge, and I truly believe cheating, but I cannot prove that, When I finally saw his secret account Ifinally felt like I have the proof I need to leave, but we have a 15 month old little girl and a 2 month old little boy. I'm praying that the weekend in Los Angeles next month will be what we need. I can't imagine my faith in hm ever being repaired, but I want to try just so I know everything I could have done I did. I'm meeting with our priest this week to discuss what is happening, and I assume he'll recommend Retrouvaille. Please say a prayer, we need them!
I am going to look into this program now. I don't think my husband will be the least bit interested, as it appears that he will never be honest with me...I can only pray. The pain spouses can inflict on each other is crushing sometimes. I pray for all of you, for your families, and for small successes in your marriage as you all struggle through this. Please pray for me as well.
I finally got a YES from my wife to attend September 14, 2012 Retrouvaille weekend. She seems reluctant. I have been working for four and a Half months now to change her mind about separation. To me, this is it. Retrouvaille is my last chance because she would have to show effort to keep our family together.
I will let you know how it went.
How do I convince my unwilling wife of 17 years to give this program a try. We have been separated for 5 months now...same house different rooms. She is angry and wants a divorce. She strayed 1.5 years ago and I insulted her about it 5 months ago and that was the last staw for her. Communication and lack of forgiveness have been the main problems. She won't forgive....maybe because she feels I don't forgive her. I have tried to tell her I do. We agree we don't communicate well at all. She says I don't listen and I say she shuts down. She is adament about divorce. We tried 2 therapists over 8 months and still could not be open to each otehr comfortably. We have 2 daughters 14 and 10 who are devasted by this. She wants to sell the house in a few weeks. How do I convince her to try this? There is a weekend in a couple weeks near us. She has a lawyer and now I have one. My lawyer said this is a good program and he and his wife did it a few years ago and saved them. He is big on reconciling if possible. How can I convince her??? She has never heard of it ...I am afraid to even bring it up.
Floydguy,
Looks like your are at "The End"! So, what have the both of you to lose? You do have a marriage to gain! One way to approach this is to just say, "OK, please give our marriage this one last chance. Then, if it isn't to be, we both gave it our last best shot."
Click to www.retrouvaille.org (Your wife can, too to find out more.) On that site you will be able to get in contact with LOCAL people that will work with you in arranging participation. Remember, these people are absolutely dedicated to saving marriages.
The program does involve that writing, but within that you will be able to understand each other in ways you never thought of.
Floydguy, remember it is voluntary for both of you. You could suggest your wife could decide to leave if the program "isn't working". Remember, other than a possible registration fee (to cut down on no-shows) there is no more financial commitment for either of you. Please re-post what happens.
Thanks so much Ray.Blog. I am going to bring it to her attention tomorrow. Ironically, tomorow is our 17th Anniversary. We have separate plans with the kids but will see her in the morning. That sounds like a good way to put it. I think I will also leave her with the information before I go to church with the kids....she has not joined us for mass since May. She is not one to be pressured on things that is for sure. The oddest thing is she says she does not trust me with anything except with the kids. Never knocks my fatherhood, just me as a husband. Blames me for everything....even makes up things. I worry about her.
Thanks, Floydguy
One other thought, Mr. Floydguy, I've mentioned that in the Retrovaille program, you write out your thoughts (on topics given by the presenters). Let the Missus know she will have a chance to see your honest thoughts about her and your marriage, written on paper. (the curiosity angle!)
curiosity is good, I will try that if we talk. She would not even look at the information I left for her. She does not want to talk. Happy Anniversary! maybe it is an emotional day for her too and just won't show it, other than the anger. it may take a while to convince her, if at all. Patience is a virtue, right?
Thanks for your positive testimony on Retrouvaille. We were a couple that attended several years ago and are now one of those couples that present Weekends and Post Sessions. Retrouvaille saved our marriage, our family and our lives. We will keep you and Mrs. Ray in prayer.
My husband and I have been separated since March 2012, it was the biggest shock to me as I was blissfully married to the most wonderful man I could have ever dreamed of. On that dreadful day in March he turned into a completely different person and has been mean, hurtful, non-caring, inconsiderate and just plain disappointing. The man I have known and loved all of these years turned into a completely different person…over night it seems! Yesterday, January 16, was our anniversary and I was barely acknowledged by him at all which was again...extremely painful! A friend of mine recommended retrouvaille months and months ago and since then I have asked my husband to attend several times...well...he finally (reluctantly) said he would attend and the program which begins tomorrow. I am so afraid that he won’t actually show up and if he does he will not be open and willing to learn and participate…he is just so cold now adays. I am and have tried to stay strong and loyal and stay true to my belief in us and our marriage. I have not been perfect, I have lashed out a few times and made poor decisions all out of anger and frustration and sometimes just to get an emotion out of him. I even stooped to having coffee (yes, just coffee…in a public place) with a man about 2 months ago that had been pursuing me for some time during this separation…I had made it clear several times that I was not interested and still in love with my husband but I broken down and went…and although it was nice to have someone genuinely want my attention (without me having to beg for it) I know it was wrong and a form of cheating. I told my husband about it and now again I am the bad guy and he will never be able to trust me! See, he left me and immediately cheated with a lady he worked with of which I did not find out about until the relationship with her was over and into our 7th month of separation…it was a short lived “relationship” but it hurt to the core of me! Up to that point he had me convinced that it was all me…I was awful and selfish and didn’t show him he was appreciated…..I doubted who I was…didn’t even like myself…I believed every word he said…he was my best friend and I believed he would not be saying these things if they weren’t true! He said he did not leave me for the other woman, that it was a reaction for how mistreated and unimportant he felt in our relationship….somehow I get to be the reason for any wrong he has done or is doing. Still, after finding this out, I was still there for him and convinced that we can work through this. I do feel like I am taken for granted, that I cannot do anything right and it is so defeating. I am praying for a miracle so that we can hold this union together though these trying times...in hopes that we can learn from this and look back years from now and give thanks to God for helping us through! I really want this marriage to work, I believe in us, I believe in God and the power of prayer, I believe in the goodness within my husband...I do not want to have a broken family, we have 3 boys to raise and I want to show them that marriages are not always perfect and easy but you don’t just give up, you work and work until you can’t any longer! I hope God works through the Retrouvaille program to help us mend this brokenness, because unfortunately if it doesn’t, I feel like I have nothing else to give and have tried everything. 2012 was filled with absolute misery and I will not repeat it again this year. I have endured all that I can possibly endure and I am plain ol tired but I can show my kids that I gave it all I had! Thank you for letting me vent! I hope to return with some good news but I will keep you all posted regardless of the outcome if you are interested!
When we attended our weekend we were at the end of our rope as well. We learned a lot about the difference between feelings and discussions to resolve problems within a marriage and they must remain separate to be able to attain empathy for your partner. I cannot say enough about the selflessness of the Retrovaille couples that put these on. Their only interest is in saving your marriage and nothing else. We thought that our relationship was so messed up that it was beyond repair but after hearing the presenting couples share their stories it quickly let us know that any marriage can be healed through effort and time.
A big thumbs up from someone who was not necessarily excited about going. Our cost was about $750 total and we gave a few hundred extra for the cause but was cheap when compared to the costs of the endless hours of counseling or divorce costs possible when things are going bad. God must have a special place for those who are willing to do this for others.
I have come across after looking up reviews for retovaille. Because to be honest im looking for a.miracle...something thats going to save us. He calls these next 30days our long shot, our one last try. He says if it doesnt work he wants a divorce and doesnt want to hear me.protest.. Afyer 8 yrs being together (almost 3 married) i cant imagine life without him my best friend
Idk what happened.to us. We fight yea like everyone. I had a bad attitude i admit. I was dealing with symptoms of being a child sex abuse victim. And instead of helping me get help he turned his back on me. That hurt so mucb. And i have gone to couseling for myslef found God in a HUGE way. I pray all day everyday. I pray for him more than for.myself. i did the power of a paraying wife challenge by stormie omartian. We are seeing each other 2x a week.we have been separated since sept 2012 (2 days after our anniversary) but he says he loves me only like a friend and is not in love with me anymore. He says he needs to feel those "feelings" again to come home. It needs a miracle. He says it he feels tbe slightests hope he'll come back home all in. He agreed to retrovaille next month. I ask God everyday for a miracle. But God cant affect free will if hes hardened hisheart. But im faithful anyway and.hope the devil will let my hubbys heart go. And he can surrender our.marriage to God as i have. Im praying for all of you here.
How are you doing?
I want to thank you for this blog post. I was determined to get to Retrouvaille and my husband was skeptical. He was done; had an attorney; we were separated for a brief period of time prior to Retrouvaille.
I gave him information I collected around the internet, including this blog so that he would understand what it was all about.
We made our weekend in mid-2011. It literally saved our marriage. My husband credits Retrouvaille with saving our marriage. We are active in the CORE (support group, because it's good to be around others that believe in your marriage and understand that relationships take work) group and are currently writing a post-talk for our community.
Thank you! Does Retrouvaille work? YES.
@Rebuilding ...: Thank you for your comment. It's great to hear when R-v helps heal a relationship, but I love the fact that you continued and are paying it forward in CORE. The dialog system is a great way to share feelings, good, bad or even ugly.
@Anonymous: You asked how I am doing. The marriage in this blog ended in 2010. my (new) wife and I are still happy together, and looking forward to sharing the days of many years to come.
I attended Retrouvaille with my wife over a year ago. It did initially help however she stopped dialoguing with me before the follow-up sessions ended. Unless both parties are willing to continue it will be a waste of time. It is certainly worth a try and I am envious of those who have had success with it.
It's been 4 weeks since things fell apart here at home. I believe most of the problem stems from my temper(to which Istart thursday with anger management). Problems at work follow me home and coworkers don't understand why I let things that happen at work continue. Anyway, I have been leaving the problems there since. But my heart is breaking since my wife said she is through, just can't do it no more. I asked if she would try this program and she said she would try the weekend by will not garentee the followups. Due to she just wantsa to giveup. I gave the donation due to I could neverf get in touch with anyone to speak with. And booked it. I am still waiting to hear from someone for the pre phone call. I really want this to work. I am doing everything in my power to make all work. It is getting difficult due to she won't say very much to me. I just hoping her catholic faith gets her there and keeps her going. We have one daughter just moving out 23yrs old and another 16 at home. The youngest wants us both in the same house and married but doesn't want to get involved with our relationship. I have appoligized for anything that i may have said or done in hast. I was never physical in hurting just alway angry and running to help other people insead of doing my own house work. I am cofused as to what else I have done through the years. She just wont be specific. But I have appoligized for all or anything I may ahve done to any of the three. I JUST WANT TO WORK THIS OUT. I hate feeling the way I do (broken hearted). I just want a simple life with these three women to share it with. PLEASE PRAY FOR MY/OUR MARRIAGE... The next weekend in my area I have signed up for is sept.27th - 29th 2013.
To talk to someone, the "main" Retrouvaille number is 1-800-470-2230. At the Retrouvaille.org web site, select your state on the top left,then you see the state list of Communities. The local community contact says "more info". Click there, you will see the name and phone of the local person.
This blog is old, but I keep it up and pray for those who are looking to repair their marriages. -- Ray
Also, Mr Anonymous, the apology thing: look at my blog entry As If...
I have emailed our local contact for Retrouvaille in our area. My spouse and I have had problems since the birth of our first child. I have been to counseling 3 separate times. In this third venture, my spouse has agreed to go. After 2 sessions, my spouse announced he/she learned all he/she needed to know. Our marriage continues to fail. My belief is that my spouse is a narcissist and is incapable of any empathy toward others. His/her behavior during my obvious times of need have led me to that conclusion. I have fully disclosed all my feelings of hurt and why and the response I receive is a blank stare, no emotion OR anger and a listing of all my personal faults or failures, some of which are not even factual. I'm wondering if anyone else has felt the same or dealt with a narcissist and been through Retrouvaille. At this stage, I'm ready to leave the marriage and am not sure I can be swayed but I'm willing to try it all before giving up.
I also want to thank you for this blog, for it has given me hope. It's nice to know what the weekend is somewhat about, and that most couples feel like this is almost their last resort..... Cause that's definitely how I'm feeling.
Don't get me wrong, I love my wife ALOT. Just having an extremely hard time forgiving her for being unfaithful (for a 2 yr span) ... This has got to be one of the worst feelings in the world, and it's been a year since I've found out:S
She also feels horrible for what she has done. I just don't think ill ever be able to love her like I used to.
She has worked very hard to regain my trust (will it ever come back?)
We've spent countless hours with counsellors, taken EMDR treatments, and have Attended a RVineyard retreat (which was a VERY helpful retreat for my wife).....
But my heart Still feels all twisted.
We're booked in for a RV retreat next month. I pray that this works!!!!!
Has this helped anyone that has been in a similar situation?
Anon: I remember one presenting couple at our Retreat was in a similar way (The husband had met a girl at the gym.) Others have walked your path. (Check out 1 Corinthians 10:13 if you have a Bible handy.)
All the presenting couples have gotten to the edge, and were able to put their marriage back together. Their talks are very straight forward - no sugar coating, and the facts are laid out for you.
Forgiveness is very powerful, yet sometimes it is a tough nut to crack. I pray you and your wife have the strength to get through this. The writing component can be eye opening, in a good way. BE SURE to commit together to the POST meetings. You can meet your fellow travelers there in a more relaxed setting.
Also, please post back, if you can, of your experience.
I have a similar situation. I awoke one day to find my wife angry. We have been married 10 and a half years and she says she has been angry for 8. Our daughter just turned 2. She just filed for divorce. I have done everything to better myself. I am hopeful the judge will require us to go to retro or a place like it. There has been no violence, infidelity or addiction. Just stress brought on by my self loathing and medical school for both of us. Is there hope for me? She will never agree to this but the court may require it because of our very young child and her absolute refusal to communicate.
JayDoc, There's always hope. I know Med school is stressful in itself. (My Brother lost a marriage while finishing up his residency. Then again, my son & his wife made it through her med school.)
Can you get to the bottom of your self loathing? As for Retro, the high stakes gamble is to ask your wife for the one last try. Then you both wait and decide after the weekend.
Yeah i have gotten to the bottom of it. She will never agree to anything thay involves saving the marriage. She is dead set
Thank you for this blog. This information shared by everyone is so helpful...to see others in similar situations helps me feel like I am not alone. My wife and I have been married for over 13 years and we have 3 kids. Our biggest issue is has been communication. She has quite the temper and nearly every day she's either yelling at me or the kids. I don't appreciate being spoken to that way, and I don't like my kids to have to receive that type of aggression. I'm pretty forgiving, so I have just dealt with it...since the beginning of our marriage. She also often acts inappropriately when the kids are around and doesn't think what she's doing is wrong/inappropriate. I want her to act more like a mom and less like a teen-ager (she's in her 30's). The hardest part is that she can not handle criticism. So anytime I try to talk with her about something, it escalates into an argument. She's told me to be direct and honest with her, but it leads to an argument or tears. I don't want to end a 13-year marriage, and I want my kids' parents to be in love and under the same roof; but being together has been a challenge. I don't want my kids to be around the arguing and think that is what a marriage should be like. And I want to feel like I'm in love with my wife. Someone told me a long time ago that a marriage is NOT a 50/50 relationship. It's a 100%/100% relationship. And it only works when each person gives themselves 100% for the other. We're affectionate with each other, but it's more because we're still trying...at least I am. I am about to register for one of these weekends (only $50 here), and I'm really hoping the tips can make a difference. I'm sorry, Ray, that your last relationship did not end well (and thank you for your honesty), but it sounds like you probably learned some excellent communication tactics that will make this marriage more successful. Please pray for us. -Hopeful
I commend you for trying to work it out, and not just throwing in the towel. I hope you and your husband are still married.
We made our weekend in Oct 2011.. Did the post sessions & CORE. Old habits kept creeping back.. we decided to join the RetroV ministry & our marriage healed tremendously once we started helping other couples. New behaviors replaced unhealthy ones. Amazing. Don't be afraid, your marriage is worth the effort to fix it. Thanks for keeping the blog active.
Retrovaille saved our marriage. After 18 years and 3 kids, I found out my husband was having an affair from an anonymous phone call. I found out from talking to his girlfriend that this was his 3rd affair. We were on the edge-I filled out separation papers and was on my way out when a miracle from God happened. He just swooped in and put many things in my path to keep me from filing the papers, and wrapped His arms around us to keep us together long enough to get to the next Retrouvaille weekend in our area. My husband did all the work and we went in April 2014. It was amazing! We went to all the posts and CORE meetings since and haven't missed a day of dialogue. We both agree that the dialogue is a HUGE part of our healing! I strongly encourage anyone wondering if Retrouvaille is right for you to just try it!!
Thank you, Anonymous of August 31. Although my story is over by several years, I know the Retrouvaille practice will return back to you many times the investment you put in. -- Ray
Retrouvaille sounds very much like a Marriage Encounter Weekend, same presenters and written dialogue format. That dialogue method was a burden for my husband to maintain 35 years ago, and our Encounter Weekend was not an enriching experience for either of us. He might agree now to attend Retrouvaille just to exonerate himself, but he won't follow through with any writing.
(Learning communication skills takes more than pen and paper and a leading question. )
What about Retrouvaille is more effective than an Encounter weekend?
Have not read any comments about addiction, and am assuming, therefore, Retrouvaille is no help for marriages suffering the devastation alcohol causes.
I appreciate the blog -- it has saved me the heartache and expense of another fruitless attempt to live in a purposeful, loving partnership.
I have really appreciated reading about other people's experience with Retrouvaille. My husband and I are going in two weeks. He is only going so that I can get closure. I am praying for a miracle! If anyone is reading this, please say a prayer that our marriage will be healed! I love him, and we have a very young infant daughter.
I am commenting back to Anon from Oct 6 regarding alcohol abuse/issues:
Both on my Retro weekend (a presenting couple shared alcoholism as a prevalent issue)and now in my CORE group, there are people that have struggled (and even sometimes continue to) with alcohol or other substance issues.
There is -ALL- forms of addiction and mental illness that affect Retro (and the population-at-large) couples. From Post Partum Depression, Depression, Anxiety, OCD, and more.
You may not hear directly about these issues, but it does not mean that they do not exist. As this blog and other state, your issues are not addressed to others. The issues that we do hear are only if the couple wishes to state them in CORE either by giving their personal talk or otherwise (now that my spouse and I present our talk, all of the couples in the audience know our story). There are couples that I've known now for years and I have no idea what their 'issues' are, and some couples I do know their 'issues' because they have shared their personal talk with the group, or because they are now EXTREMELY CLOSE friends and my spouse and I enjoy their company outside of Retrouvaille and we are now life-long friends.
Of course, and this is stated during the Weekend, Retrouvaille cannot solve the issues of alcoholism, depression, and the like. We suggest getting professional and expert help in those areas.
Rebuilding, Thank you for re-stating part of the Retrovaille process. Retrovaille is designed to rebuild the marriage relationship itself, no matter what the cause.
Dealing with those other issues is beyond the scope of the Retrovaille organization.
Note: I can't believe this particular entry has pulled in so many responses. I wrote this in 2008, and in the seven years since, you can read that this marriage did dissolve. But in my new marriage, I am a better husband for it.
Apologies, I also wanted to address the Marriage Encounter vs. Retrouvaille comment that Anon Oct 6 stated:
Retrouvaille was an off-shoot of ME. Years ago, there were couples attending ME that were hurting, in pain, and in need of special attention that ME could not provide. ME is designed to take good marriages and make them better.
We have quite a few (I believe at least one) couple each weekend that had previously attended ME or Engaged Encounter (we don't ask this, people have shared this).
With Retrouvaille, we very much promote attending the Post-Sessions, as they can be crucial to rebuilding a marriage. The topics covered are amazing and helpful, and truly assist with the rebuilding efforts. Retrouvaille supports the idea that communication is beyond pen and paper, and we address this especially in the Post-Sessions. CORE is a helpful support group -- you know that other couples struggle and want to work on their marriage too, and you're in an environment that wants you to succeed and understands that Rome wasn't built in a day.
I would suggest that you don't worry about the daily dialogue or what you/your spouse is willing to do, or what you think they are willing to do, or what they say they are willing to do -- take this one step at a time.
I appreciate all the reviews on this program. My husband and I have been married 6 years, separated for over 2 years and had communication problems from the beginning. No children. We did go to Marriage Encounter about 4 years ago and it was fine but we never followed up on the dialoging or he would not.
The last year or so I have been trying to get us to go to counseling and to this retrouville program. He has not been receptive except to say he will just tell the counselor he does not want to work on the marriage as we have nothing in common. He has filed for divorce and we have a final hearing in April. I have been praying about this for a while and feel in my heart that this program will do wonders. There is one at end Feb in our area but I have not approached him yet about it as we have minimal communication. He is so angry and I have no idea why except he says our marriage was a mistake and we have nothing in common. Any suggestions from the guys as to what to say that would encourage his attendance as he is pretty over this marriage?? Thanks
Well, it seems like you have nothing to lose. He has decided it's over. You have a marriage to gain, though.
I have heard of this last-ditch effort. Tell him, "Let's try this one last time. Seriously. When we're done with the weekend, if you feel there's a chance, then you decide if we should continue."
Remember you will have separate beds available in your room. All the Retro members are dedicated to and praying for saving your marriage.
If you can, please let us know how it goes.
Well, it seems like you have nothing to lose. He has decided it's over. You have a marriage to gain, though.
I have heard of this last-ditch effort. Tell him, "Let's try this one last time. Seriously. When we're done with the weekend, if you feel there's a chance, then you decide if we should continue."
Remember you will have separate beds available in your room. All the Retro members are dedicated to and praying for saving your marriage.
If you can, please let us know how it goes.
Thank you for your quick response and advise. I will try what you suggested and pray to God he agrees and it works. I will let you know how it goes. I must admit I am so very nervous. Please keep us in your prayers, for a softening of his heart. Appreciate this blog so much and will definitely try this last-ditch effort. God bless you.
Attended in June, 2014. Separated for 6 months. It works if both people do the work. My husband isn't willing to do the work and had checked out long before our weekend. I have no choice but to file. His excuse is that feelings are not there and that our marriage was a "mistake" and that I should go on with my life. Fine, like I have any other choice.
This will be my wife and I second time doing the Retrouvaille weekend. We attended last Oct but I was not committed to the program. I had made the choice to leave my wife for my affair partner. We started our divorce in November. I started to realize how selfish I was being as we went through this process and that I really do still love my wife. We received our final documents to be submitted to our lawyers for them to be filed. I made the decision to end the affair and put all my effort now into saving my marriage. My wife now knows of the affair and is still willing despite all the turmoil I have caused to try and save our marriage. We will attend a weekend in feb. As time goes on I will come back to this site and update our story whether the outcome is good or we decide to divorce. If you are reading this its true you are not alone in how you feel. This is the loneliest time of my life but there is hope and hopefully forgiveness. If you don't try you will never know.
OMG God bless you all I am praying for me, for him, for us for our families In which ever directions we go I know God is taking us there Try the program first and see where God leads you
My husband and I are attending in 2 weeks. I have no faith in our marriage anymore but I have faith in God's plan for me, so we will see where this goes. Lots of people praying for us. Been married for almost 16 years. Husband has wanted out of the marriage since October. I am just so grateful he is willing to go now. I appreciate all that you shared about the weekend.
My husband and I have only been married for 2 years and we've fallen apart. It's not that we're fighting or anything the spark has just gone out because we've become so caught up in the day to day dealings of work and social events. He feels I'm more of a roommate than a wife. We're currently seeing a counselor but I came across Retrouvaille because his parents had done ME and suggested we do it. My husband isn't very religious (didn't participate in pre Cana much) but I wonder if we should do this. He says he's trying to make things better he just can't find the spark. What should I do?
@Anonymous August 20: That "spark" needs to be nourished every day! But to get it back, the R-V program will get you started in the right way. The writing technique is very powerful in that you can write down quite a bit - the whole enchilada - without having to stop and explain anything. If I remember, some of the things you write about in those first sessions should help revive your spark after you share your thoughts!
As for religion, well, it is sponsored by the Catholic church. and the priest attending will discuss Bible things. But it's not Sunday School or Preaching. Most people can go with "The Bible says ...". Yes, they offer prayer and communion/Eucharist. You are not required or pushed to participate in those.
I pray for all the people who post here.
Married a little over 7 years to my comment sweetheart, two kids under the age of 5, married in the Catholic church.
6 months ago my wife asked for separation saying she wanted divorce but wanted separation to be used as time to ensure her feelings as correct. I asked to work on marriage again and she refused during entire separation stating that she did, in her own way, work on our marriage through its troubled times of poor communication and lack of respect on both ends. I never got the clue during our marriage so for her the separation was really the ending as for me it was a wake up call.
We have done 4 months of intense weekly "couples" therapy focusing more on the individual aspect.
Last week and said she gave it the time to see if she was being impulsive, but concluded that the only thing holding her back right now from divorce is the back lash from society (parents, friend's, work) when she does this and not because any part of her wants to reconcile.
In this same conversation I begged for the R-V retreat here in Chicago in 3 weeks. After two hours of an emotional plea, she said yes only because "she wants to improve communication" for us but specifically said "this will not change my mind on the marriage".
I can not wait for this weekend to take place in hope of a miracle.... Not a miracle that my wife changes her mind but that together we both learn how to be a better couple and through that we commit together to reconcile the marriage.
Pray for us!
Our experience with Retrouvaille was very much ineffective, and was in fact just another seven week delay in getting to the heart of the dysfunction that undermined our marriage. Two years of individual counseling (on my part, my wife refused individual counseling), reading and researching were REQUIRED for my own in-depth understanding of the dynamics of interpersonal relationships and the corrosive, seemingly insurmountable effects of personality disorders; which the Retrouvaille program did not and probably cannot address, in enough detail (for my own understanding).
Couples therapy was also counter-productive in our case because the roles & dysfunction that have been firmly entrenched (for 27 years in our marriage) were still in play anytime we were attempting to work together on anything and everything.
I can only speak for myself, but I gave Retrouvaille my greatest effort; we both attended every post session, worked every exercise and talked/discussed every exercise and topic to death. And now, six and a half years after Retrouvaille, I understand that neither Retrouvaille, nor any other program that I know of had any chance of saving my marriage because my wife, nor I, had any deep understanding of our own disorders, as individuals. And that made a mutually beneficial marriage utterly impossible.
For me, a separation lasting more than a year was a requirement for me to be able to to learn enough about codependency, narcissistic personality disorder, avoidant/dependant personality disorder, dominant/submissive roles and the negotiation/renegotiation of those roles to understand the complex inter-relationships of those things in marriage. And to learn that if only one of the marriage partners is willing to gain that knowledge, there is a deeper problem that needs to be rectified before any kind of reconciliation is possible.
I feel that in our case, Retrouvaille started at least one step past where we needed to start. It focused on communication and reconciliation without understanding of the dynamics of the disorders in play.
In our case, myself, a 6' 3", 220 pound man was the more passive, co-dependent, nurturing partner. While my wife was the dominant, rigid, controlling (yet inwardly fearful) personality. And that almost three decade long relationship of dominance/submission was never allowed to be renegotiated on any level, because of her deep-seated fear of loss of control and my learned tendency to try to make everyone happy all of the time. It took time, distance and lots of effort to understand how and why that had come to be the most damaging dynamic in our marriage. And I was only able to make that effort to understand because of the distance and time alone I gained through separation.
THAT, is the true miracle for me... that I learned what was causing the dysfunction in myself, that I contributed to the dynamics of our relationship.
But the marriage ended in divorce, and as well it should. When only one party is interested in education, understanding and individual growth, the marriage is doomed to remain dysfunctional.
And now, six and a half years after the Retrouvaille experience, I am remarried to a wonderful women whom I love immeasurably and with whom marriage is NOT work. It is a pleasure and almost effortless. The Retrouvaille program repeatedly claimed that a good marriage is hard work. That is absolutely untrue and I cannot state that strongly enough! Keeping a marriage going is only hard work when you are mismatched and you do not understand why.
My husband and I are on the brink of divorce. After so many unresolved issues over thr past 7 years, I'm afraid the level of resentment on both sides is palpable. My mother-in-law suggested Retrouvaille 2 years ago, but for whatever reason there was no follow through on our part. Now our relationship is in crisis mode and it's no longer just us anymore, we have our beautiful little girl. I am not one who believes you should stay together "just for the kids", because kids do grow up and leave their parents behind some day. Then what happens to your marriage when your reason for being together leaves.
My husband and I are scheduled to attend Retrouvaille in June. I am excited to go. The way I look at it is that right now my marriageis on life ssupport. Darling husband and I had better do the work and invest in our relationship reconciliation, or divorce court is inevitable. Thank you for the story Mr. Ray. I hope one day to return to this site with an update on my situation.
Sincerely,
Needing help in Phoenix, AZ
I am in the Phoenix program, my wife of 19 years never communicated well and though we are terrible at doing our homeowork - so far the program has erased years of hurt feelings and dissolved a lot of the bitterness bringing a more peaceful air to the home, the kids can tell the difference in how we treat one another. The hardest question so far was the one posed before we were permitted to register for the weekend "are you willing to commit to your marriage and stop any thoughts etc. about potential future life either single or with another person while in the program?" Committing to stop thinking about how easy life would be single and think about fixing this marriage made all the difference for me. Like when you are tired of your old car and stop looking at new ones and spend the day making the one you have shinny = it's a good thing. feel free to contact me with any questions, we attended in april 2016
ray did not mean for my name to appear can you remove it please
Hi, my husband and I attended a Retrouvaille weekend 13 years ago. My life had blown up in my face literally one day. After all the lies I decided to give it one more chance for the kids and us and family. I prayed every weekend at church for a sign and one day at church as I was reading the church bulletin there was an article about Retro. Didn't have a clue what it meant but I showed my husband and said if we go to this maybe we have a chance. So we went thinking it would be over after the first night there. WOW, not sure what happened but by Saturday we were holding hands and actually liking one another again. Not to say it was easy. NO WAY. It was the hardest thing I ever had to do though totally worth it. We attended all the post sessions and attended core. It was a long road. It took me a long time to forgive him. We actually started to date and go and do things together which we hardly ever did before. We date more now then we did when we were first married. I do know that we lived for our kids which I suggest to all married couples please don't forgot the love you had before you had kiddos. Keep a date night once a week only if coffee, a walk, a movie, popcorn. Quiet time after kiddos go to bed it is simple. We never did that the kids came first. I believe this is how we got in this terrible mess. Please give Retrouvaille a chance if not your last chance. We are only together because of the program and hard work. We still struggle a little but not like before. We actually now have tools to talk to one another. We keep involved in the ministry since it hads given us our marriage back. Many prayers.
It's almost Christmas. I'm going to ask for retrouvaille as my only Christmas gift. My husband and I have been struggling with our marriage for years..perhaps decades. I want a better example for our children to look up to...they deserve better. While he watches porn and acts out his addiction, I am surfing the net for marriage advice, seminars, and help for spouses of addicts. I don't know if retrouvaille will help us...at this point I'm so disgusted with the lying, sneaking around, and his obsession with satisfying myself. I suppose if only one of us doesn't give up, there is still hope? Any prayers sent this way will be appreciated.
My husband agreed to attend the program..it was my Christmas gift we start tomorrow. Prayers please...
Retrouvaille was truly a gift for my husband and I. Without it, we would be divorced. The lawyer had already been retained. We were already separated, living apart. We had already tried counseling, it just didn't help. We didn'T contine to follow all the guidelines of the program, but we learned so much about how to communicate with one another. Even without actually keeping up the written communication, the tools are now in our tool box. When things seem rough, I return to my workbook and renew my commitment by rereading, refreshing, and renewing our promise of that weekend. I remind myself of the tools I have been given, and we work things out. There are still unresolved issues but aren't there always, even in so called "good" marriages? Instead we learned to let go of those things that aren't worth fighting over, aren't worth destroying one another for. I am grateful for all the things I learned in the Retrouvaille program. I would recommend it to anyone.
We were supposed to go in March. It was all paid for and arrangements made. He backed out at last minute, said we were actually getting along better and he thought this would disrupt this positive path we were supposedly on. We were separated at the time and still are. Haven't filed for divorce yet but I'm struggling with 2 kids, underemployed at my job and zero separation agreement or child support. I feel really hopeless and lost. Definitely appreciate your blog, thx
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I have been married for 20 years and we are now at the roommate stage. Really want us to attend this program but was wondering if any other same sex married couples have attended, or does this program allow same sex couples to attend? Appreciate any info or comments.
To: 20 year anonymous (roommate stage): This is a very good question. In all my dealings with Retrouvaille, the issue of same sex never came up. The Retrouvaille program has its roots in the Catholic church. Your best bet may be to contact the local Retrouvaille community and ask.
I looked at the web page https://www.helpourmarriage.org/ (A Retrouvaille page). On the top row to the right there's a link that says "When and Were" which can help you locate your closest community. With some poking you can get to an email input and a local phone number.
Sexual preference is not an issue with me. I hope and pray you and your partner can actively search for and regain the love you have shared.
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